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November 5, 2012

Phoenix Viewer 1.6.1 with Windows 8

Filed under: Second Life Shit!, Viewer Gripes — Tags: , , , , , , — Hugsie @ 5:29 am

I’m sure a lot of users have switched up to windows 8 over the past week.  I my self have been using the consumer preview since last spring on a secondary desktop PC. Phoenix doesn’t run properly in Windows 8. While it installs fine and launches fine, it will fail during login. It will either just hang there not progressing with the login or crash with an odd error message I’ve never seen before.

I’ve told the Phoenix Team about this months ago when Win8 was still in “preview” and they don’t seem to care. It’s hard to do any support on an unofficial operating system that can change drastically from beta form to official releases. At that time I didn’t really care since I wasn’t using Windows 8 on a PC I used full time, and it was a “Preview” version of windows and would likely had been a bug that would probably work it self out once the retail version of windows 8 is released.

So Windows 8 is released. I used the Windows Update Assistant app that scans your system looking for hardware AND software incompatibilities. It did not see Phoenix viewer as being incompatible nor much of anything i had as incompatible  Most of the things listed as incompatible was ironically microsoft software.

So I did a clean install of Windows 8, zapped my boot HDD clean by deleting partitions and installed Windows 8 from a DVD image i burned (which upgrade assistant creates for you). Installed it, updated it, installed drivers, bla bla bla.  installed Firestorm and it works.  Installed Phoenix and it crashes on login.

Quick answer to fox this?  Set compatibility mode for the Phoenix Viewer shortcut to Windows 7.

Right click the icon for Phoenix, compatibility tab, and Checkmark compatibly mode so it’s enabled, and choose windows 7. Selecting Windows XP SP3 will not work. Keep in mind this is compatibility mode, not any sort of virtualization mode. So you don’t need a copy of windows 7 laying around or installed to use this.

Oddly enough if you turn off the compatibility mode after you have successfully logged in, Phoenix will still work. It only seems to fail when logging in with the viewer for the first time after a clean install. So it’s best if you leave compatibility mode on if you have alts and want to log them on, or it will fail.

One last thing about Window 8, or any fresh instal of Windows.  Windows does NOT come with OpenGL since it’s open source and Microsoft is not allowed to distribute it with a comercial product like Windows. Second Life does not use DirectX. This is why Second Life is cross platform since it dosen’t rely on Microsoft. Be sure to download and install the proper drivers for your Video GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) and will come with OpenGL. Taken from the Phoenix/Firestorm Wiki…

Nvidia Video Drivers

  • Latest driver Last checked Oct 17– Windows: 306.97 (Oct 10) – Linux: 304.51 (Sep 24)

AMD (ATI) Video Drivers

  • Latest driver Last checked Oct 22– Windows and Linux: 12.10 (Oct 22) – Beta 12.11 (oct 22)

Intel Video Drivers

  • Intel driver download page Intel does not have a universal driver set. Please go to Intel’s site and select the appropriate download.

Have fun!!

October 12, 2011

Ubuntu (again) 11.04 with Phoenix

Filed under: Uncategorized — Tags: , , , , , , , — Hugsie @ 6:42 pm

Is a fucking nightmare.  Let me point out first that I am using a rather old PC running Ubuntu 11.04, on an old Athlon XP 3000+ Barton with an nvidia 6200 w/ 256mb.  So no 64bit, and no SSE2. So that leaves out any mesh support, and Firestorm just doesn’t even bother launching. Phoenix runs, but just barely.

So the first problem I ran into was th new “Unity interface” that attempts to do what OS X Lion has done to the Mac, and what Windows 8 will do windows, by creating a touch-tablet friendly internface, and keeping the interface consistent across PCs, phones and tablets within the same brand.

While unity runs well on this old PC and it reminds me of Snow Leopard, but it introduces glitches into the UI because Phoenix Viewer is making assumptions about cursor placement. One is that if you run phoenix in fullscreen mode, Unity removes the top header border you see at the top, and leave a blank gap at the bottom of the screen. This offsets the cursor and Phoenix thinks your mouse pointer is hovering over areas about a half-inch above where your cursor actually is. Disabling Unity and using Gnome fixed this issue.

Any time i move, or minimize Phoenix and restore, the viewer basically locks up… ALMOST. If’s as if the framerate drops to one frame every minute. Just barely enough to keep my avatar logged in, but trying to do anything is utterly useless which forces a relog.  Switching back to Gnome ui didn’t fix this.

So the viewer runs just fine in Ubuntu with gnome, with “okay” frame rates.  No noticeable difference in performance when with windows on this same machine. But not as glitchy, just as long as i don’t minimize or do anything else on this computer, or Phoenix goes into limbo.

October 19, 2010

Phoenix & Ubuntu

I got Ubuntu 10.10 (x64) running on one of my PC, but I can’t get Phoenix Viewer to do anything.  The README instructions simply state you extract the .bz2 archive into any folder and simply type in the console Run ./secondlife from inside that folder. I understand that, but that does nothing.  Shouldn’t there be a folder called /secondlife for that to even WORK?   Since there isn’t such a folder, it obviously dosen’t launch the app.  Yes I do know I need 32bit compatibility environment files installed but if this app was installed properly it would have at least TOLD ME THAT, but it never gets that far since this install is half there!

I’ve also noticed that 10.10 app for reading archive files (.bz2) is fucking SLOW. Takes like 30+ seconds after double clicking got it to show anything, then to read a simple text file it takes a bit too long than it should take for a decent PC, and modern OS.

I’m starting to understand why Macs are better at these things.  When you download a new app, you just drag and drop the file into your applications folder, and you’re done (there may be other steps, depending on the app but that’s usually it).  You don’t even have to “extract” the compressed archive you download, which would take up more drive space.

Windows is still somewhat easy but you have to step though a wizard when you run the installer.  Microsoft has to make it more complicated than it really needs to be. The “installer” needs extra hard drive space than the application actually uses. It has to throw files all over your hard drive, and the REGISTRY file has to be updated.  The Windows registry file is the bane for this OS and is the root of a lot of it’s problems and bitrot.

Then you have Linux and some apps are a piece of cake to install, others make no fucking sense, and you have to dig into the console command line to get something working.  At least windows avoids having to deal with the command prompt when you’re installing something. I don’t think I had to drop into the old DOS command line in YEARS when dealing with software installs.  Not since  Windows 3.1 had I bothered using a DOS command line to deal with issues (other than for other reasons) but not to get an application installed and running.  Windows 3.1 was when the registry file started being used.

I’m also REALLY disappointed in this 10.10 release.  First I had issues with just installing it on my PC since it would never complete the install saying “ready when you are…” when there was nothing TO DO.  The Ubuntu Software center is fucking RETARDED, the search never finds anything I need that I know DO exist.  Searching for the 32bit environment files came up with NOTHING. WTF?  Same problem with Synaptic Package Manager, I can’t find anything I need on it.

Mac is good since they can keep things consistant, but they abandon and orphan old platforms in about 10 years.  Windows has to keep support for old legacy platform, and has no control on hardware so it’s always full of holes, yet maintains SOME user friendliness while complicating things it dosen’t need to, which simply get botched up over time. xUnix based OS’s are just overly complicated to start with. Since there are so many different flavors of it making it very inconsistent from one distro to another whcih just confuses end users like me.

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