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August 28, 2010

Banning viwers not on the TPVD

Filed under: Uncategorized — Tags: , , , , , , — Hugsie @ 8:51 pm

I’ve heard stories of people getting banned from areas because they are running viewers that aren’t on the Third Party Viewer Directory. It’s a very small list mind you, but just because a viewer is on that list dosen’t guarantee any safety or reassurance.  Remember Emerald was on the TPVD, and they still had malicious code in it. The malicious code was already REMOVED by the time Linden Labs removed Emerald from the TPVD, so how exactly safe is this list anyway?  This directory is voluntary anyway, there are many many more viewers than the handful shown on the TPVD, like the Hippo Viewer, and Emergence is my personal favorite.

What I like about Emergence is it’s made by one of the first Emerald Devs to jump ship BEFORE Emerald-Gate hit the fan, LordGregGreg.  He is refered to as a “white hat” coder and was one of the ppl who would look over the code for anything wrong. But since Fractured used encrypted code, and would have the final say before it went public, LordGregGreg was basically left out of the loop.  He was frustrated and eventually said fuck it. So he took the source code he already had of Emerald, removed all the bad stuff, and created his own viewer.

Also why do we need a TEAM of people like “Modular Systems” who come off as if they are some sort of company, who makes a business making SL viewers?  They are all volunteers. Does Modular systems do anything other than Emerald? Remember the Nicholas Viewer from years ago? That was created by a single person; he didn’t need a TEAM of developers and play himself off as if they are some sort of “company.”

So it’s nice to see that only one person does the whole job. We know he’s responsible for this viewer; we know who to blame if something goes wrong.  Unlike Modular systems who kept pointing fingers at each other, running around like chickens with their heads cut off, and calming that the dev who was responsible was “punished” when they were still coding the viewer.  They claim the one responsible was cut from the team, then later he announced he quit.  So which is it?  Was he kicked off the dev team a week prior to his voluntary resignation?



  1. Right now, it’s hard to trust Emerald. Maybe the developers will get their act together.

    Modular Systems is hard to pin down, with everyone using SL identities. But they are involved in making and selling tools which claim to detect and ban people using copybot viewers in SL. Those tools are controversial, and are in a grey area of the privacy rules that Linden Lab publish.

    It’s almost too easy to come up with conspiracy theories about all this.

    With the use of SL identities, there’s no way anyone can be sure that Fractured Crystal won’t rejoin Emerald under another name.

    Comment by Wolf Baginski — August 31, 2010 @ 1:21 am

  2. LGG didn’t exactly write the viewer himself. Emergence is a compile from the emerald source code. You or I could take the same source code and compile it ourselved then release it if we wanted. LGG wrote a whole load of utilities (PAR) that can work with lots of viewers and these made their way into viewers like Emerald. Par is also availble from his google project site.
    In any case,emergence isn’t intended to be updated and LGG is on board with the Phoenix viewer. If you try it it’s identical to Emergence if you set both to the same skin.(being based on the same source)

    Comment by Mondy — September 5, 2010 @ 9:04 am

    • Yes I know LGG is apart of the phoenix viewer team now. Of course he didn’t write the viewer from scratch. he stated how and why he made emergence on his blog. It’s obvious there won’t be updates made to it now that he’s on the Phoenix team. It’s the same team Emerald was a few months ago, minus Phox.

      Comment by hugsalot — September 5, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

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